The 4 C’s — Competence, Care, Consequence, Corruption

what's your dream what's your goal what's your motivation what's important to you what's your passion what can you do to change the world this is what's involved conversations with thought leaders and change makers from around the world hear stories of hope and inspiration to help motivate people like you to live your life find your passion passion and live your dream together we can all bring positive change to our world now here's your host David Watts and it is another edition of what's involved this the first one of 2022 and I've done some thinking over the last while and I thought we don't want the show to go how do I want the show to go and I thought you know what this here needs to be about change it needs to be about making a difference it needs to be about what are we gonna do with our beloved country how are we going to because it's all good and well I mean yeah we sit and I'm just as guilty we sit and we point fingers and we go yes but this yes the government is solutions solutions is what we are looking at and as a result of that I managed to connect with a couple of gentlemen and I've got two of them joining me right now and we're gonna be talking about a brilliant idea that the one gentleman first came up with so let me introduce them and then you'll know first and foremost a very good very warm welcome to you Trevor stratum now Trevor is the owner of the audacity of wine farm he's got a long history in the banking services as well as being an entrepreneur so we like to say Trevor is the struggling wine farmer at the moment because wine farming is definitely not for everybody my other guest a very warm welcome to you as well is Anthony Morris he is a global financial coach as well as a disruptive thought leader and an entrepreneur gentlemen great to have you on the show with us thank you thanks for having us thanks David thanks for having us all right so I've set the scene this is where I want to go with with this little radio show this year and I believe we can make a change I believe we can make a difference you've come up with a concept Trevor and the sort of overarching title of it is going to be called see change the letter C and then change talk to me about what these four C's because you've got four core C's are that we're going to be looking at and and working towards thank you for that David I think what's very important for me is that there are a myriad of problems in South Africa and a myriad of opportunities but for us and if we're gonna have this discussion and you're going to last have it on your radio station will be to keep what we want to talk about incredibly simple and it'll have to be an overriding theme that it touches on everything that we do so we are speaking to Anthony and we've come up with a concept of the four C's the first one being competence the second one being care then consequence and corruption and our whole reasoning for this is the most important thing is if you're going to put anyone in a position of authority or management or government or anywhere in business you may have to make sure first of all that that person has got the competence to do that job and the second thing is that this person must actually care about the people or the business that he's doing that job for and if not they have has to always be consequence in in private practice if a person cannot do the job becomes very simple that person gets fired and it's out of that business because the business cannot afford to carry an incompetent person for a period of time and then the last thing and the biggest problem in our country is corruption so I would like speaking to Anthony that we could actually talk about those four themes and then look at a way in which we can actually measure those things because if you can't measure them you can't manage and it's as simple as that and what we will be talking about is our technology can be used as a tool to both measure and manage a lot of these things and I'm sure there's a lot of ideas and then the last thing if we could have the filter because we've all got ideas and I'm sure there'll be millions of ideas coming in but if an idea does not make the C the four C's simpler to implement then we can't consider it so that the filter should always be does this idea make what we're doing simpler if the answer is no then we won't consider it otherwise we'll end up with myriads and myriads of ideas and they will simply be ideas they won't be business and characters so that to sum it up is the four C's that we'd like to talk about fantastic just before I move over to Anthony I just want to state and I think I can say this fall for all of us the three of us and the kind of people that we're looking to talk to you and get involved is we are passionate South Africans we love this country we believe in this country we just see that there's problems and we cannot sit by any longer and go well somebody else has got us sorted out we want to take responsibility and we want to build on this these four pillars Anthony welcome good to have you along with us you being the disruptive thought leader that you are tell me what your thoughts are on this well you know David I I spent ten years in America and Canada I'm still a Canadian permanent president I was sitting in 2016 in my beautiful Scottsdale home with the table mountain of screensaver ordering Bruce important online from a guy in San Diego talking to my mates in Cape Town and I realized I missed her I didn't stop missing him for a decade and I came back but the country I came back to in 2017 was definitely not the country I left 10 years earlier I'm a passionate passionate South African I chose to come back here but I believe to put it bluntly that South Africa has spiritual cancer and why say that is because it seems to me like everyone is out for themselves to get the most for themselves we don't even talk to each other decently anymore and the challenge we have is that there's no sense of the four things that that Trevor talked about as our framework and if we can affix this country we don't have a lot of time and we need to understand demographics and mathematics behind that are underpinning the current challenges and problems put simply we have three percent of the people paying 97% of the tax we have 50% unemployment in the economic engine of age 18 to age 50 and we have about 15% of the population a child in positive now we all agree that one punch one has a tendency to equal to you can send it to the mosque to shul or to the church it will still only end up to you can't make it end up three so within that demographic tsunami that we face how do we put this country on a fast track to success by focusing on our resource fulness we don't have a lack of resources in South Africa we've got minerals in the ground we've got arable land we've got people we've got lots of seaboard we've got all the elements that we need but we lack resourcefulness and resourcefulness can tend to be emotional states why you'll notice people put in their care soon as you go there they left brand people gonna go oh this is going to be an inspirational motivational show no but basically care means that you have two years one mouth and use in that proportion care means that if you're sitting in a boardroom and Sophia where on your exco is running late for the meeting because he had to take his child to clinic he did not on discovery diamond vitality and you sit there rolling your eyes going so what's new that's a lack of care it's a lack of empathy and you contributing to the problem okay if you walk in and say it's the ANC and corruption it's ANC corrupted it's not just the ANC and corruption it's the corruption that you oversee in your own organization every single day that starts this and I believe that this country can be put on a fast track to success but we need people positively contributing with ideas and and instructions practical thing is that we can do and Trevor and I have known each other a long time from my days of working with him in changing the bank culture of a big bank getting into sync like salespeople and I know that he was so excited with him being on the journey with us is because he's always the guy's gonna go okay so what are you gonna do and what are you gonna start and what's the first point because otherwise it's just talk there's no time for talk in the country anymore absolutely and that and that's the that's I think the crux of this particular matter is we can't just talk we've we've got to do and if you're listening whether it be to the podcast whether you're listening to the show live right now what you need to do is make a decision this year to become involved to do something be the change that you want to see and and this goes across the board now because one of my things is we've we've had this this issue for so long and we've turned it into racial things we've explored all of that yes we've made mistakes yes we've done things wrong let's fix it and it's gonna take people from across the board from people at the highest levels of business to people like myself and you and your normal everyday people because those are the ones that are being impacted the most right now so what I want to do when we come back I'd like us to you to dive in a little more to these these four C's and we're gonna start off with the biggest one I think corruption so we'll get back we're getting to that when we come back this is what's involved I'm David Watson's an absolute pleasure to have you along with us we'll be back with you in just a bit we'll be right back with more what's involved David would love to hear from you to leave a voice message visit what's involved calm and click drop me a voice note we're back what's involved it is my special guests are Trevor stratum owner of the audacious wine farm also an entrepreneur been in the business world for many years and Anthony Morris who is a global financial coach as well as a disruptive thought leader and in his spare time he's an entrepreneur so we're talking about this idea that we've been kicking around and it's called see change which is the letter C and then change and there's at the moment four pillars of those so our four C's are competence care consequence and corruption and I said just before the break when we come back we're gonna talk about the fourth C because I think that's the biggest one in everybody's mind and everybody throws their hands up in horror and goes corruption so Trevor over to you what why is corruption important to tackle corruption is absolutely critical to tackle because at the moment we have people in all walks of life not any government in private business everywhere that has sort of if you can't beat them join them so you have people saying I don't want to pay my tax anymore because when I pay it it gets pinched by people you have people and in any position the first thing that happens if there's a business opportunity they think how can I get money out of it and I don't care about the consequence I don't care that I'm stealing from people I don't care that's we'll talk about care later if we talk about corruption I think for me and they're gonna be lots of ideas around how we can solve it I think we have to consider using technology I know from my own experience you go to the doctor he does blood tests you do all kinds of tests and technology is used to do heart transplants all kinds of things if you look at athletes today they do drug tests to see whether they cheating if you're driving a car and you get caught and you've been drinking you do a breathalyzer and you get taken and your blood gets drawn so we're using again technology globally we know all the security guards bodyguards of presidents do a six-monthly polygraph this but just a thought I thought why don't we have a challenge and and David you would have to get first people that are in the polygraph industry to talk on your show whether the idea and the concept we're talking about is feasible and we'd have to explore it on your show but can you imagine if we could get all people in government and the police our president to agree to an annual honesty test now when we originally came up with idea we thought yeah that would be great but what do we do with all the past theft and all the past misdemeanors that have happened so the idea would be that you would sign an agreement where you would be given amnesty for not amnesty for what you've done in the past but you would be given amnesty for the for the next 12 months so you sign an agreement in 12 months from now I will have a polygraph test and honesty test to see whether I haven't used my position of power to enrich myself or others in a process and it's just a first screening honesty test so you sign the agreement and you say you can check me 12 months from now from this date and I will do a simple honesty test and I'll answer one question and this is just an example of what it could be have you used your position in government or an office to enrich yourself your family extended family friends business associated or any other institution or person by a corrupt action that's simple question and then if you fail that then there would be obviously a lifestyle audit or something like that but it would be the beginning stages of using technology to help with solving the corruption process that's one idea but I'm sure there would be more so just so we clear in terms of this and we're looking at I mean as you speak to me I've been thinking okay government's the obvious one municipalities please metro please those but we can do it in business as well because if you come to me and go David listen in terms of your business we're going to give you amnesty you've got a year now to clean up your act and if I've been kind of helping cousins and second cousins and all sorts of things I've now got some time to go okay guys I now choose to be part of the solution so I'm gonna keep my nose clean and I'm gonna do what's right and at the end of this year when you ask me that question I should be able to in good conscience answer it and on that polygraph they're gonna go yep he's being honest that I understand you correctly you understood me 100% okay cool Anthony let's move over to you quickly what are your thoughts on this you know there's a lovely saying I use on my coaching programs if you have a problem turn it into a process or procedure and it won't be a problem anymore so what Trevor's just done there is actually live that mantra we've got a problem called corruption and people taking bribes in enforcement situations which is a process of procedure called a truth challenge or an honesty challenge which we want to stay keen in a year so he's used that then we can expand it into other areas that's okay what is the process the procedure why is it that for example anonymous whistle blowing is not more part of the corporate culture of most companies in this country where you can do an anonymous report on a on a digital journey on your phone that goes somewhere and you basically what the odds is would call you dobbing someone out you can take a picture of video recording or you can actually tell what's going on and you will be rewarded if it turns out to be the truth what you're doing is incentivizing people to police each other because the police can never police everybody there's another example of what can can be done if you know what I mean it's a funny thing in Australia no one waters their lawn even at midnight because they have a dobbing program and you dob your neighbor out and that scene is a good thing to do because the biggest Australian value is called fair dinkum it's above religion and family fair dinkum which is fairness we don't have that fairness here so I think Trevor's onto something very powerful there one could take that concept of this okay if you're gonna drive a truck through the Harry Smith pass with stuff on it and you could end up mowing down a taxi and killing 20 people maybe all truck drivers part of the job is that you will be drug tested every week if you don't like it you like drugs then you just do anything but don't drive trucks if that makes sense and so one can fan the social engineering into a whole lot of areas that take care of enormous mayhem and loss of life life and money that it's costing the country okay so Anthony and I'm gonna I'm gonna knock and tap on your shoulder here for this one the idea is brilliant okay that's why I bought into it it's brilliant and I think that if anybody's listening to this noise going absolutely however one small fly in the ointment who's gonna administer these polygraph tests I don't know anybody if you're listening if you're into polygraphs maybe you can give us a shot let us know Anthony do you know anybody that we could tap on their shoulder and have a chat to what about the challenge to do the actual testing in the honesty challenge well I think what you do is you'd get two people in the room you'd get some accountants in the room and work out what it's costing us in terms of corruption to not do this so that we found where the money is because the money already exists it's just being spent policing people running around you've been bribed anyway so we've got traffic policemen right now that again being bribed with a cool drink and what is the cost of the traffic policeman using the radar gun to put his own back you can't actually at the end of the day so you get the accountants to measure the cost or the loss so the money is there and then you get the polygraph institute even top guys from around the world and say we're looking to contract this after someone put your proposal forward and and then at that point you go to the necessary people and I believe in private enterprise government partnerships I think if you went to the wrong minister the minister is actually doing something on the side and so it's stillborn it's a stillborn child at the end of the day all right okay so there's our first challenge if you either work in the industry or you know somebody give me drop me a mail okay it's very easy it's David at what's involved comm what's W A T T S involved comm and say hey yeah we think this is a great idea in fact whether you think the idea of us going forward with this is a good idea or you think it's nonsense and rubbish and and we're blowing smoke let me know because that's what I want to do I need us to be more interactive I'm gonna put myself out there and say I'm prepared to go and and go through this honesty test you know I'm a radio person so obviously a lot of people go oh you're in radio there's something you're hiding so I'm prepared to do that and maybe we can do it live on the show you know and say okay well you know if that old fart can do it maybe you know we can do it if you're a business and you want to get a shout out to dimension on the show and you as the CEO are prepared to jump in with us more power to you I don't know what you guys feel about that concept sorry if I could come in here I think and obviously they'd need to be a lot of research and as when you asked any the question you know who would administer this and the media thought would go like you know couldn't the three of us get together and work out how we could handle the contracts for this and skim something off the top I mean that's the way South Africans think yeah and I agree with Anthony it would have to be a joint venture between private enterprise and government and then we get someone like Edward it's where you go who's it of sauce I mean I know personally from a previous experience in the financial sector industry and I believe there's a man that might take this challenge before anyone else and maybe between people captains of industry and and government could get together and and start investigating the possibility and the feasibility of amnesty for 12 months and then honesty testing and we start with senior people in government and business and let's make this a joint venture but there needs to be quite a bit of work done around the feasibility of it as Anthony said and the cost implications and I think we need the best polygraph tests testing people from all over the world to do it but I honestly believe that using technology to solve corruption should become the new normal the same same as covert testing you want to fly it on this plane you do a covert test you want to be in this position you agree to and your honesty test it's just should be the new normal and if you're not agreed to use technology then you don't get the job and as simple as that I agree I don't think that government is initially going to look at this idea and go yeah we're in I really definitely not definitely not so it's going to be private sector initially Anthony okay so this is where we're going to explore we put ourselves forward so we you know I'm showing you my end ground tunnel and Trevor has agreed we take your big risk personally by being on the show because what we're going to do is we're going to keep each other honest in other words if I see you going in the direction David that I want to pull BS on and so no now you're thinking like a typical South African if you took the whistleblowing concept and you linked it to the fact that at least half the police force are not going to take the test you've got to provide a soft landing for those guys to sell the idea in other words now you fired because you refuse to take the test what are you going to do you've taken bread out of a man's stomach right if that guy took the whistleblowing concept and he now became a consultant in the townships to to uncover the drug lords and the what's going on there potentially because the money that's being wasted in this country right now with law enforcement that's being enforced by people who've got a criminal record this 4,000 policemen at a supervisory management level in the police who have a criminal record right now 4,000 of them it's a new way to do well in crime you get a car you get a gun you get a badge rock and roll so what are you going to do with all the people who fail you have to have that plan in place too to say those people are going to be deployed gainfully in going out there and cleaning up the communities potentially and earn money off doing that if that makes some kind of sense now if you've got two hours I can tell you I would do that you can't just go in with the axe because no one's going to pass okay all right when we come back I want to I want to do a little bit more on on this but because once again if we look at what Trevor suggested in terms of the filter um I think the filter is not really going to fit with this one but we'll talk more about that when we come back this is what's involved so good to have you along with us you're listening to what's involved with David Watts have you been to our website check it out www.what'sinvolved.com and while you're there click on the coffee mug icon and buy David a cup of coffee he'll love it and we're back what's involved it is man this fascinates me the sea of change or sea change as we're going to be calling it um we're chatting to Trevor Stradum and Anthony Morris uh and they've come up with this concept of of the four C's competence care consequence corruption now just before the breakouts going okay uh I love the idea of the honesty testing but now for example we used it uh in terms of the the police force or the government whatever um I love the amnesty side of it but then so they explained to me a little bit further now let's say um let's use the the police force somebody goes there and they go yep I'll do this this this honesty test and they fail it what do we do then because I think just by going well if you fail you're out is a bit harsh I know Anthony said they should become um sort of involved in the community and you know being whistle blowers and getting paid for that that seems a little little little difficult for me right now I think we could get there but right now what do we do I think because we're trying to have honesty testing the new normal in our society because it it has to happen I honestly believe it has to happen across all facets of government private practice everywhere and we're going to have to get used to it so there's a phase in approach if we it's not about if you fail it you are to remember it's first line honesty testing so you sign a document you give an amnesty for you you then go for 12 months and then you are when I say amnesty you sign the documents and 12 months later you're asked about in the last 12 months have you committed and you and if you fail that first line honesty test simply means that you're superior now and do a lifestyle audit on you and find out why you fail and was it some minor thing or wasn't it so we don't it's not a failure in your art it's a failure why did you fail and we need to look into it because it's going it's a it's going to have to be a gradual process but at least it's the start of getting to that point where if you fail your art but initially it's going we're getting to the new norm and we're going to have to manage it and whereas I've as I said to you if we can't measure it we can't manage it so first of all how many people will fail I'm hoping that um people a small percentage uh won't fail if we have 100 failure like obviously we've got a massive problem but at least we can deal with it because we'll know about it we'll be able to to to manage it so I'm just saying so it's not your failure it's you failed now let's do a lifestyle order let's see why you fail but let's just let's just go into this Anthony I'll get to you right now but if you think about it this this whole idea of corruption it's it's literally like a cancer in our society because you talk to somebody anybody in an office and you're like back to school now they help themselves to the office supply so that they can give to little Johnny and that is not seen as being dishonest it's seen as being it's my right you know what the hell company's got lots of money they're not going to miss a ream of paper and a couple of notebooks and I think that's where it starts is that we've we've for so long we've just gone oh it's okay we've given our power away we need to take it back so again I want to know what your thoughts are okay so drop me an email comes directly to me it's David at what'sinvolved.com which is W A T T S and then involved.com what's involved.com one word I'd love to hear what you think do you think we are to coin a phrase or a cliche do you think we're fighting against thunder here or do you think it's something that can be done if we have the will to do it I see we're starting to run out of time here so Anthony before we go let's let's hand over to you and you give us some of your thoughts there I love I'm energized and inspired here on what we've discussed today because we talk about sea change Trevor talked about the four C's now I want to close out focus on change because what this whole thing comes down to fundamentally is whether you're optimistic and you believe that people are capable of changing okay in other words someone that knows that in a year they've got a year to clean up the act to be honest or they're going to fail the test the cynics would say that's not going to stop them and I would counter that and say rubbish when a woman finds out she's pregnant have you ever watched a woman around the bride she's pregnant she says no I'm pregnant I'm not drinking alcohol she stops drinking alcohol the day she discovers guys got a diagnosis of a polyp in his lung he will drop that cigarette halfway through and he will never smoke again so I'm fundamentally bullish on the people that the fact that people can change look at our country if people in this country who did not believe that we could ever unite and get together and not be driven into the sea the day that medieval is released and what happened so whether you believe people can change give them the incentive to change and then digitize the experience that there can be no place to hide because technology is a big part of it where they know it's not an opinion the machine's giving you okay and therefore you are focused on making the complying being willing to comply and change yourself to comply or don't work there to work somewhere else okay so I'm going to ask you Trevor for your final thoughts on what we're hoping to achieve because ideally this is not about the three of us ideally we need to have a movement of like-minded people from across the spectrum okay my final thought on this is if we don't keep this simple and just talking about corruption if we don't make honesty testing using technology the new normal then what are we going to do and if we don't attempt this then I honestly believe the future for us looks very dark because if you look at what's happened a lot of the political parties and a lot of what happens has been run by gangs and if you look at the fear factor people not wanting to come forward because they know they're going to get shot when they go home and we've seen it I think that if we don't do this then someone must come up with a better idea and that's why I love your show because maybe someone is going to come up with a better idea and then we'll do that but if this is the best we got at the moment let's try it because we've got nothing to lose in everything today that's my last word wonderful stuff thank you gentlemen thank you so much I'm going to ask you one more question though I think we need to then find these people that do polygraphs and find out who the best are and maybe get them on the show because I want to know I've seen the spy movies where you can put a thumb tick in your shoe and you step on that and it messes you know we know we know what that's all about but I believe they're very very accurate these days and the people that operate them are highly trained and highly qualified so I'm going to see the next time that we chat if we can put our heads together let's see if we can get somebody like that to chat to us right there we go wonderful stuff Anthony Trevor thank you so much for joining us it wraps up what's involved this edition the first one of 2022 I'm very positive about the direction we're going in to each and every one of you look after yourselves take care and thank you for listening thanks for listening to what's involved we hope this episode inspires you to find your passion and live your dream don't forget to rate review and share the podcast and to see what's happening what's going on and what's coming follow what's involved on facebook and twitter at what's involved Thanks again for listening.