Taryn-Lee Kearney — Business Woman, Speaker, Industrial Psychologist, Mental Health Activist

And it is what's involved in another episode and man, I've got a great guest lined up for you At this time we get it organic duty here and find out what she doesn't and why do I think she's such a great guest Well, she's gonna be speaking to things that we it's effect. It affects all of us Okay, and the person I'm speaking about is Taryn Lee Kearney. Hello Taryn. How are you? Hi there, David I'm doing fabulous today. Thank you so much for asking So Taryn you are you are known as the human connection expert and a mental health advocate Let's let's start off this whole discussion with finding out a little bit more about Taryn. Tell me about Taryn. Were you born bred? What did you do? How did you get to where you are at the moment? Oh fantastic. That's a great question David I like to say that there are a lot of people in Pretoria. That's where I'm from calls me the boom Chaka Laka girl And it's because I have such a passion and high energy for people and this all started from when my dad was in the hospitality Industry I grew up in the hospitality industry he was a chef of a hotel and we literally lived in a room in a hotel and When I was a little girl, I would move from department to department as my babysitter So from banqueting to reception and it was just one big happy family and I was surrounded by people the whole time And it started growing throughout high school When I started doing a little bit more challenging myself doing more community work as well as public speaking I realized that I've started feeling my passion. I received a full bursary from a hotel in the hotel school For cooking because my dad is a chef obviously and I actually declined It was a four-year pad scholarship and I declined it because I knew that that wasn't what my heart was seeking and I went into industrial psychology and this is all about working with people in the workspace and it was all inspired by my own mother Which was the head of at that time. She was the head of learning and development at the CSIR and I saw the impact that she had on people when she did training and the aha moments that they would get and I knew for a fact that my life and my purpose was to help people in every way possible And it also could play in the fact that I'm from Port Elizabeth. I was born there and It's a friendly city But we moved to Pretoria and Pretoria is just now my home It's always been my home and I just absolutely love the vibes in Pretoria. And that's all about me. I must say I agree with you on the on the Pretoria thing I was originally Benoni everybody knows this Benoni born and bred behind the Brouvos curtain But I live now in in Pretoria East as well. And I must say it's a lovely part of the world lovely part of the world so you you when did you start your business because You run a heart training and development. Am I correct? Yes, that's correct So I first worked in corporate for a year and I knew for a fact that corporate was not for me at all I'm such a rebellion at heart and I like to just challenge the status quo a lot of the times So this is where I thought well the next best thing is to open your own business and what better way to do this Than to go into training and development, which I absolutely love and I started my business in 2015 and it's just been thriving since And I absolutely just love the fact that we get to go out there and make a difference in people's lives and stimulate their minds and hearts for success Because I mean and you're being very modest. I mean in 2017 you voted top 10 most inspiring You were voted in the top 10 most inspiring women in South Africa. That's by women of valor 2018 You were a finalist in the Hersh's women in business Achiever Awards and She's what else have you done? You currently South Africa's top 100 difference maker Yeah, that's yeah, that's correct. So I must say it's been quite phenomenal How I've thrived in my business and this is all due to collaboration with people and support from other female entrepreneurs especially because the fact that certain industries are male dominant and Us females sticking together and helping build one another's confidence and self-esteem in the industries Really really helped me push me through to to actually enter those competitions and for people nominating me for those competitions But my most absolutely favorite association of all time is the difference maker The the South Africa difference maker and this is where we actually recognize people for doing good in South Africa I absolutely love it. If anyone could go have a chance goes go Google difference makers, South Africa It's people all over South Africa that literally puts other people first and I mean there's women from helping communities of education There's other women helping with regards to mental health. There's women that are teaching entrepreneurs how to thrive in this tough circumstances that we are in and Am they always putting people first and that association is absolutely incredible and I'm so honored to be part of it again, one of the other things that you are incredibly passionate about is is this human connection and Mental health now now when people talk about mental health generally there's so many people that have different different views on what mental health is but You took your passion and to some extreme heights. I believe you climbed Mount Kilimanjaro and I'm not even gonna ask you why because everybody I've known that's climbed Kilimanjaro when I've said to them Why did you do it? They went because it's there

Well, actually I'm gonna actually tell you why because that's what yeah, that's good. That's what field it I mean, that's what got me into Human connection in the first place all because of one individual and it would have never ever happened if I didn't climb Mount Kilimanjaro now, let me first tell you this David into the audience. I'm quite a curvy licious lady So let's just say climbing hiking and camping are not in my vocabulary so it was quite a big challenge that I that I did this and The highest freestanding mountain Africa is Mount Kilimanjaro. It's 92 meters above sea level and that's pretty damn high So it was quite a and an interesting exercise and I took a total of five to seven days to climb but this is where I actually started realizing that we need to focus as a society on our mental health and Not just particularly on the mental illnesses We need to stick together and start identifying the mental health crisis that we are having at the moment in South Africa But not just that it starts with ourselves and as I was climbing Mount Kilimanjaro I started noticing things about my own mental health and how it was taking a strain And I always thought I was quite a sound resilient I had a sound resilient mind and it was such a big challenge I must be quite honest and it taught me so much, but I couldn't have done it without my guide that walked with me and his name is Charlie and at one stage when I was climbing the the ledges I actually slipped so far down that I almost fell off a ledge and He great turned around and was quite a great quick fast ninja instinct he grabbed my hand and he pulled me back up and From that day. I just I was just so I had so much admiration for him this is someone that climbs Mount Kilimanjaro at least once or once every week and someone that just keeps challenging himself, but still in a way that he's also supports people through their challenges and He would just talk to me about his homeland and how much he loved his wife He couldn't stop talking about how much he loved his wife and the connection he had with his own community back home And then not just that when I came back down I reached the second highest point on Mount Kilimanjaro Which is Stella point and I felt like sort of like a little bit of a failure because I didn't reach the highest peak Which is Uru peak and I was sobbing. I mean I was crying my eyes out I I came here to try and help break the stigma against mental illnesses and spread awareness and and I felt like I failed The people out there and he said something so profound to me He actually sat me down on a rock and and he looked in my eyes and he said to me and no laughing But this is true what he said Hakuna Matata Now I never knew Hakuna Matata was obviously the language from Tanzania I just knew it was from Lion King. So and I couldn't stop giggling when he said to me Hakuna Matata and he said It means no worries And I said, I think I know this song and he's like everybody knows a song. But do you really know what it means and He he looked me in the eyes and he said Taran you conquered that mountain You conquered that mountain emotionally and mentally you conquered it You are a strong woman and this is not going to define you you're gonna go spread the news and spread the message Because it's going to inspire you and I was totally David. I was totally blown away. I had no words and from that day I truly felt the power of human connection and how we can really utilize one another to help us bring each other through tough times and Yeah, and that's why I wanted to tell you the story. It was just a phenomenal experience and I do encourage everyone to go do something out of your comfort zone because you never ever ever know where it may lead you in life and Today it's led me here to this interview with you David where I can actually share my passion on human connection and mental health. I Think that's absolutely brilliant and I had a hundred percent Ambient and behind you in so stretching your boundaries and everything but I am NOT going to climb Kilimanjaro It is what's involved by a special guest is tearing Lee Cooney. We're talking about human connection We're talking about mental health when we come back we'll find out a little bit more about what's Taran does and Why her passion for mental health?

And we're back it is what's involved my guest is Taryn Lee Cooney and Well, sure. Okay. So now we've been up around Kilimanjaro I was kind of there with you and I think it's an amazing amazing story And I think one of the things that I'm very passionate about and what I do in now as well as in the rest of my life is this Communication storytelling and making connections as well. But but how do you how do you equate human connection? Taryn to mental health is there is there a correlation? Yes, without a doubt It's now been proven by experts around the world that the less human connection we have The more draining it can be on our mental and emotional well-being and it's been quite a few studies out there Now at the moment, especially with regards to signal health and they're a global medical company and they've actually seen how loneliness depression Anxiety is tied directly to engagement productivity and happiness and They've actually found out that it does indeed affect your mental health and emotional well-being if you don't focus on your human connections in your life and This absolutely inspired me to find out more about it and dig deeper and do more research And it comes down to the point is that we are social beings We crave human connection all the time through human contact or through frequent social interactions I mean South Africa is a community that loves to bribe. It loves to get together They they love to celebrate the holidays, especially with Mandela Day that's coming up and I have also found that it's defines us it makes us human and Whether we have strong emotional bonds that ties our families together or maybe from the camaraderie of friendships Or even the relationships that binds members of the work together and teams together we need human contact and it allows us to thrive and flourish as a species and We know that as social beings we deeply care for one another And not just that with our loved ones not just with our loved ones and friends, but I'd like to say also with our community And the human spirit that we have is absolutely resilient here in South Africa and globally as well You would see how it came through with regards to covert For example the Italians they came together on the balconies and started singing amazing Incredible songs together that inspired that through to South Africa I mean Cape Town every evening eight o'clock at night during lockdown. They sing the national anthem and I think it's the most Cannot explain that when I see those videos and I don't even live in Cape Town. I want to be there That the goosebumps I get so in the essence if we don't have Human connection and we are social beings and what do we really have and and that is why we say it impacts your mental health as well as your emotional well-being and obviously now during Lockdown for the past three months. We've had we've been forced to practice social distancing And this is absolutely crazy because people are starting to realize now how much they're actually craving human connection I mean, we can't dine with our friends anymore. We can't see family members We can't interact with our co-workers and it's actually putting a strain on the human spirit So much so and here's a scary fact that came up now at the moment. They say that depression Has actually and loneliness and anxiety has actually doubled Through art covered 19 and this is alarming. This is absolutely alarming David It is I mean, I'm sitting here as you're talking and I'm thinking you know what I totally get this now From my perspective. I've always gone that people said to me why why have you been on radio?

Why do you want to be on radio? I said because I love people. I just don't necessarily want to have to see them and and I'm not I'm not known outside of the the sort of broadcast environment as the most sort of Outgoing friendly sociable person, you know, I don't I don't enjoy going out but having said that I Always used to say yeah, you know, I could quite happily stay at home and not see any people It's great over this last three months. It's proven not to be the case because as you say we are social animals we need that contact and The whole concept and I always used to laugh about depression and cabin fever and things like that. It's very very real I mean, I've I used to laugh and say, you know people were oh, I'm depressed You know what? Put put just pull yourself towards yourself Yeah, and then back back straight shoulders back, you know chin up and then on you go, you know We're tough and particularly amongst males men generally don't want to even talk about it And I've experienced depression before and I can tell you it's not a fun place to be it's really not And once you're in there and once you're in that that cycle The world is a very very dark place Yes. Yes without a doubt David and and first of all, I just want to say thank you so much for for being vulnerable and opening up and telling us about that your experience and your story because what we don't realize is that vulnerability and empathy towards other people is what and trust is what builds human connection and Depression is absolutely real I mean they say now globally that more than 300 million people are affected and it actually affects more women than it does men But men don't speak about it. So that's why we can't do research on it and just as you mentioned David and What's quite interesting me being a mental health advocate for four years and and more and was inspired by my own mother That had got bipolar We never thought David that this would happen to our family. We never thought would be impacted by mental illness I mean five years ago. I didn't even know what mental illnesses were I knew that they existed but I'd never even thought it would be impacted by it personally and our whole life was just Flipped around. I mean we just didn't know what to do and how to support my mom And this is where I what I do best is I throw myself into research and I had to find out How can I support someone that I admire so much? That's my absolute biggest role model to get through it and and that is why it started the journey of Mount Kilimanjaro to show her that despite her having this Stigma that she thought she had and the silent scream that she too can accomplish anything and everything she wants and that and being identified with a label such as depression or anxiety or bipolar it does not define who you are at all and It's you can still accomplish whatever you need to accomplish with these illnesses But it starts with self-awareness Identifying that you do need help and that you do need to to push forward and receive that help And I'm going to speak about it personally now. My own story is that during this lockdown?

I I always seem to think no, I'm resilient. I can do this and when lockdown came around. I'm such a Extrovert bubbly person. I need people my husband was staying at home all the time with us because he didn't have a choice It was locked down and I have a toddler a four to five year old toddler and it was just Absolutely draining and I still had to find an income or or make an income and not just to mention I'm six months pregnant now currently and I just felt that the whole world was sucking me in and I couldn't cope anymore and I had to go ask for help eventually to a point where I found myself on antidepressants and anxiety medication and Never in my life David it I think I'd be impacted by mental illness Because of the fact that of all the lessons and all the things that I've been through That I could actually I'm I was strong and I can manage this but that's the thing David I had to learn a lesson myself during covered 19 is that Sometimes we need to be vulnerable and say look I can't do this. I need support I need help and the best way to do that is to reach out to people and Because people is what makes us as I mentioned social creatures social beings There's crisis hotlines that you can look up this South African depression and anxiety support groups There's mental health hotlines and not just that you can go to your doctor and ask for communication given the symptoms and and reach out to your loved ones tell them that you're not coping and that you're struggling through this time And it is this guys. We are not in this is not normal this global pandemic is not normal So I don't think anyone expects you to have it all together. We are there's this beautiful quote that's going around on social media. It says We are not all in the same boat But we are all in the same ocean And that just absolutely hits a heart string and that's so true Is that everyone is going to go through this covered 19 and this lockdown period?

differently, they're gonna experience differently and the way you are experiencing it is okay because that's your journey and that's your story and If there's anyone out there that is seeking help and that that's really struggling. Please have a look go down to self-awareness and and have a look inside and and dig deep and and and don't be ashamed or embarrassed to ask for help and This is coming from someone who is a mental health advocate. I mean, I kept on saying to myself How can I be a mental health advocate if I'm the one on medication and and needing support? And it came down to a simple solution and answer because David I am human, too And that's what everyone needs to realize is that sometimes we're gonna lean need to lean on each other No, actually, I like to take the back but sometimes most times we need to lean on one another for support and My family and friends virtually have been absolutely incredible and not just that the medication has helped me And that's my personal story and and yes, it's making me feel quite vulnerable right now but vulnerability and stories is how we can respond to one another and how we can learn more about each other and Experience the world and make a difference possibly. I think that is absolutely fantastic. And thank you Taryn Thank you for sharing the story We can go we can go into this a little bit more and maybe I should share a little bit about my journey during covert as Well, because I think it's appropriate considering what we're chatting about now. So when we come back, we'll be chatting to Taryn a little bit more about mental health tech covered what's happening in the world and how we can deal with this kind of thing it is what's involved and We're back my special guest is Taryn Lee Kearney and She is a business owner CEO. She's a speaker The founder of our training and development Before the break Taryn, you know, I mean you you did you shared something very very I think personal and vulnerable My stories is fairly similar to that. I always used to think I was fine. I was tough I could take anything I could take whatever and I've literally been through to the school of hard knocks And it's just been for years now one thing after the other that's just been smacking me upside the head But as my dear mother always says, you know if you get knocked down you pick yourself up dust yourself off and continue going and eventually got to a stage where I couldn't continue going because and this is the weird part is I just I could not focus on anything could not for love nor money focus on Anything I couldn't get anything done. I couldn't get my work done I would sit in front of my computer screen and stare at it literally for hours When it became really bad for me is when I started to battle putting sentences together And I was I was sleeping a lot and eventually under protest I went to the doctor and he said to me Do you've got depression and I said to him that's impossible. I've know what depression is. I've had it before this is not it I am NOT unhappy And he goes, but are you happy and I went I am NOT unhappy And yeah, I also ended up on and ended up on some medication, which I've always used to say, you know It's just you know, sort yourself out. The first time I got diagnosed the medication had a very bad effect on me So I stopped it This time it's it was it what he gave me wasn't as hectic But it's taken a while and only now am I starting to kind of feel more like me and getting my brain back And it is somebody who works in media and somebody who speaks a lot and I've always been very proud of my my intellect and my vocabulary to suddenly sit and stare at an object for like two minutes going What is the name of this thing or trying to have a conversation? It was it was awful And I was I was I was ashamed. I was embarrassed. I didn't want to go to the doctor In fact, this is the first time I'm actually talking about this But I think as you say this this can maybe help because we're all in this together and it sounds cliched You know whilst we're apart. We are still all in this together And and I know I know the feeling of total isolation total loneliness you refer to as a silent scream So, you know I'll give you my details again as well at the end of the show So, you know if somebody feels the need they need somebody to talk to or somebody to connect with I'm there so you can do that but let's let's let's move along a little bit Taryn, so so you've done this but COVID's messed all of us up and I mean you you do training because you believe that learning should be fun It's something else we have in common. I'm I love learning. I'm guilty of lifetime learning. That's what I'm guilty of But not everybody feels the same way that that I do How is this impacted on your training business? If you had to let's use the dreaded word if you had to pivot a lot Yes, that is a dreadful word that I've been hearing quite a bit But yes without a doubt I've had to pivot and not just that I've actually what's really really cool is that I've seen a lot of my clients actually start opening the possibility to using technology more where they were a little bit hesitant before and where they've actually started teaching their employees how to embrace technology and A lot of people what's very interesting is that they starting to realize post COVID That there's going to be less business travel and that they are there's going to be more flexi hours and working from home So the world that we know right now and the work environment that we know right now is certainly going to change without a doubt and and I only hope that with regards to this COVID-19 is that people also realize the true importance of human connection and that teams will actually be stronger going back off to post COVID-19 who knows when that is but I do know for a fact is that It has impacted South Africa. It has impacted entrepreneurs and it definitely has impacted my business I'm not going to lie about that. It has been absolutely quite a struggle from lockdown level 5 to 4 And a lot of things have been put on holder companies and and it's also a time now where I've had to pivot my business Yes, indeed going online. We were online prior to this however, we've had to be really creative and innovative in a way that we actually produce and engage with our learners on on virtual platforms and that's where I keep saying with my tagline learning without boundaries and That's exactly why I feel that I'm actually quite Excited about what's to come. Yes, COVID-19 has had negative impacts, but it's also had positive impacts on businesses It's pushed people out of their comfort zone to try new things to try new next technology to get more creative and innovative in their business and It's helped them to be more resilient and and identify who they are It's also given them time to to practice an art of gratitude For what they have and and their talents and embrace them So I must say with regards to the future of learning Things have definitely certainly changed. But however, this also does bring me to the fact that Zoom fatigue or technology fatigue is absolutely Real we need to find a balance between screen time and face time And it is quite a challenge to do that now with regards to covert 19 However, finding the balance could be for example I was that as I was at a dinner the one time and It was at a local restaurant and there was a family of four It was a mom a dad a older brother and a younger sister and I couldn't stop Staring at them and my husband would actually say to me stop looking at them. Stop. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it and the curiosity I cannot tell you they were all on their phone devices David and Now what I found was quite really daunting to me was that even when the waiter came across to get their get their order the waiter had to actually kind of raise his voice to get their attention because they were all glued to their cell phone devices and For me, that's when it hit me. It's like we don't realize how Technology as much as it's so great and it's helping us connect right now We don't realize also the impact it has to isolate us I mean, have you ever noticed how you feel when you're on your device on a continuous basis?

I mean, I feel absolutely exhausted and also depending on what's on my newsfeed on social media most of it lately has been quite negative and this has really got me to think is that you know, we need to actually start having a look at how are we balancing screen time and FaceTime, especially in our own homes and why I say this is because I Used to be so guilty about this two years ago before I started getting into human connection Is that my two-year-old would tell me at that time mom get off your phone come play with me And I would get this this this this feeling in my stomach of so much Um, I cannot explain it. I was like it was like a little bit of a hot knock like a reality check like Taran You're not present with the people that are around you. You're totally absorbed with this this device in front of you and You need to start being more present. Your daughter needs it and This is when it hit me I cannot expect you know, it just hit me like a ton of bricks Is that how many more families are struggling with devices in their homes? And do have you taken covert 19 really as a period to bond with your family again play board games? I'm do creative creative things in the house together really get to know who your kids are and and get to really connect with your parents again and And a lot of times we've in the first lockdown 5 I've heard friends and family who've binged on Netflix and who have started in golfing themselves in this new platform called tik-tok And where they haven't actually they've actually isolated themselves even more which is causing anxiety depression with with one another So I really do challenge people out there to balance that screen time with regards to FaceTime Put your phones down in the evenings connect with your family really be present with them. I think we've even forgotten how to have casual dinner conversations with our loved ones and Really engage with what's what's on their heart because that's when you can start identifying problem areas or or things that they are struggling with and Again, I say in your lot neurologically and physically it's been by experts Research that we need people to connect and to thrive And if we don't have human connection within our own homes, how are we going to connect with other people out there in society?

And again, I say this human connection feels better health physically better mental and emotional health it feels happiness in your life and it feels resilience So David you're I do encourage People to embrace technology. I mean technology is definitely what's gonna help us stay connected in this time However, I really want to ask people To employ tools to keep going at this with regards to using technology to work for us but bring our humanity and kindness to social platforms and To lead with compassion not with judgment and bullying of others but to really really embrace technology with kindness and empathy for one another I Think you're absolutely corrected and and that that is the thing. I don't know over the last while it seems like social media Gives people a license to be their worst selves and and there is there's a lot of anger There's a lot of hate and I understand. Okay that we've been going through this this covered 19 process I mean when we started off our little family here, which is the just the four of us You know, it was all yeah, we're in this together Yeah, and we're going to do the baking stuff and we go we baked it and we did it all of those things and then after a while it stopped being fun and The cracks started to show and we've been through some tough times Hey And now we've moved through that and now we kind of getting into and and you know I thought maybe we just weird and then we can't deal with it But research that I've been reading shows that a lot of people have gone through these curves these ups and downs So yes, yes from the bottom of my heart if you're gonna be on social media be kind just be kind It is what's involved. My special guest is Taran Lee Cooney when we come back. We're gonna wrap it up With Taran and I want to find out what's next. Where is Taran going next? We're gonna find that out when we come back It is what's involved and we're back what's involved it is. It's so good to have you along with us Our special guest is Taran Lee Cooney Taran first and foremost, thank you for taking the time out and having a chat to us I have to ask what where is the little one? I mean not the little little one I know where that one is, but the other little one because it's very quiet

Yes, yes, so I must be honest with regards to zoom meetings and interviews and things like that It has been quite a challenge as a mother to balance a toddler and a household and I'm sure there's a lot of mothers out They're feeling the same way But today my daughter's back in school and I've been getting a lot of flack about it David I must be quite honest that it's not safe and all of these things and I've done quite thorough research with regards to it And I know my daughter best and I know that she needed people and children around her again And the school that she is at is absolutely fabulous and is making sure that they are safety precautions being held to the highest Standards that they are so she's at school and when I pick her up at 12 30 in the in the afternoons She is the most happiest girl there is That's what she needed. She needed people around her and again, it proves again David What I've been saying the whole time is that even our kids are being impacted by this

Especially our kids because And I've seen some some studies that have come out now is because children are now being told they they they have to keep that One and a half me especially the little ones that one and a half meters one point eight meters distance Wear a mask don't touch and everything it's causing big problems with them as well and also that what they're saying now is that children are Battling to interpret the meaning of things because when they're dealing with somebody else, you can't see that their whole face You can only see their eyes Yes, which is weird. Yes, it's absolutely true You know when when the teacher came to fetch my daughter at the car because parents aren't allowed to engage with the teachers Which is only right is that she actually ran back to me. She didn't recognize her teacher at all and and it's these masks these masks take away from the body language that we're so used to as humans because we engage mostly with our eyes and with our gestures and our facial expressions and What this teacher actually did at one stage? She pulled down her mask and said it's me It's me and I cannot tell you how that child just lit up knowing that it was her teacher and that she could feel safe again And our kids are struggling and this is why it's so important for parents to have those conversations with your children And and say just because you cannot hug you another one or you can't hug your teacher or a friend does not mean you are Not loved and just means that the world is a little bit upside down right now, and it's gonna get better So it's evoking those emotions of hope and optimism Even when you don't feel like a parent that there is hope and optimism Your kids look up to you. I like to say that you are a glow worm They idolize you and they and they are you're a model of how you are handling this covert 19 And they learn everything by what you do and that is why I was very adamant that my daughter goes back Look, I must be honest. The first day I took her back. I was an absolute tears. I was a wreck I wasn't quite certain the mom guilt kicked in I wasn't certain if I was doing the right thing and There was a lot of darts in my head But I had to I had to step back and realize that this is going to make her resilient it's gonna it's gonna really help her mental health and it's going to really help her emotional well-being and David after three days back at school. I can tell you how my daughter is just blossoming Yeah, I can imagine I can imagine that that that that would be true So you had me smiling at the glow worm analogy because I'm sure you know the glow worm the little glow worm poem, don't you?

Yes, I actually do. I haven't heard that one in years

Everybody's going what is what is the glow worm poem? Okay, I'm not scared. I'll share it with you It goes something like this. I wish I was a glow worm because a glow worm is never glam It's hard to be down-hearted when the Sun shines out your bum

Telling before we go Your training sort of stuff. Let's touch on it quickly. If somebody wants to find out about about training and what you offer But just give me a brief synopsis of the kind of training you offering and all you're doing it online now Okay. Thanks. That's fantastic. David. So a heart training development has now totally pivoted to a point where we are focusing on Enhancing smart skills going into the fourth industrial revolution which we are going to move into quite fast and are due to covert 19 and these are these types of training courses that we offer are based on the top ten skills that are crucial for the fourth industrial revolution for any employee out there and that ranges from Service orientation which is customer service and sales all the way to emotional intelligence That's how the highest one on the list having empathy and understanding ones emotions of oneself and others And then it goes all the way to creativity and innovation and critical thinking And problem-solving skills and we focus on the top ten skills according to the world economic forum Going into the fourth industrial revolution and yes, they are all available online We also do virtual training, which is quite cool. We also do micro micro learning and blended learning There's workshops available. There's public workshops available. There's webinars available all they can do is just check us out on a Hard training and development and yeah, they'll find all the details on their David Okay, so the website address is www.ahar training co.za that's www.ahar training co.za as I mentioned earlier Taryn if people want to find out about that they're more than welcome to do if you are listening to this wherever you are And you're feeling a little down or you just need somebody to talk to whatever the case may be. I'm here I'm happy to chat to you guys My email address is David D A V ID at what's involved co.za Which is W a T T S I N V O L V E D So that's David at what's involved at cia today. Yeah being there done that so I'm more than happy to help out if I can In any way Taryn one last thing before I let you go. What's next?

Taryn Lee Coney. That's a really good question So I've got a few things up my sleeve with regards to world mental health day That's coming up in October mental health awareness day and I've also got a very awesome Women's I don't know if you know that in August there's women's day We've got a webinar with incredible speakers and prizes to be won as well as I'm gonna start Challenging myself to spread awareness about human connection during covert 19 So people will need to follow me on social media and my username is at Taryn Lee Coney and they can actually see what's next I'm quite excited to get a few more people involved if any if there are any mental health advocates out there They'd like to assist or anyone passionate about human connection. Please do connect with me and let's make the world a better place together Fantastic stuff Taryn. Thank you so much for taking the time out. We wish you all the best Thank you, David. I have I had lots of boom chucker like a fun

Wonderful stuff that was my guest Taryn Lee Coney once again If you'd like to get hold of her the email address or rather the website address is www.aha training co.za Coming up next have I got an interesting guest for you. It's gonna be a great night tonight So before I say cheers to Taryn to you and to you and specially Thank you for listening.