Kevin Palmieri — Thoughts Are Things Choose Yours Wisely

what's your dream what's your goal what's your motivation what's important to you what's your passion what can you do to change the world this is what's involved conversations with thought leaders and change makers from around the world hear stories of hope and inspiration to help motivate people like you to live your life find your passion passion and live your dream together we can all bring positive change to our world now here's your host David Watts and once again it is what's involved pleasure to have you with us then my next guest I've actually been trying to kind of match calendars and dates and things for a while because I really really wanted to have a chat with him and I'm very excited to introduce him to him who is he he is none other than Kevin Palmieri and my goodness me Kevin has done a lot of stuff how are you Kevin David I am doing very well I'm glad our calendars were able to sync up and I am excited to chat with you today and thank you for the wonderful introduction my friend it is a pleasure now let's just go through a little bit of what you've done okay you the the CFO founder and co-host of something called next level University it's a global top 100 self-improvement podcast and you beat my total substantially because you've got over 900 episodes I'm only on episode I think it's 214 now so you certainly have done well but now before we get into why podcasting and the whole idea of next level University tell me a little bit about Kevin who is Kevin tell me about your journey and how you got to where you are today absolutely so Kevin was raised in a single-parent household I was raised by my mom and my grandmother so I guess it wasn't single-parent but I grew up without a father and that has been part of my story in the through line of who I've become as a man and that's really something that has impacted me in many different ways but when all of my friends decided that they were gonna go off to college after high school I knew that wasn't for me I didn't know what I wanted to do but I knew I didn't want to go to college so my friends were out in college living it up going out to parties meeting a bunch of people and I was working at the town gas station I was pumping gas full-time as a gas station attendant and it was very challenging for me because everybody was out experiencing new things and here I was in the same town I was born in just kind of showing up to work every day and trying to get by and I ended up going on this journey of different careers and I was as I said a gas station attendant I was a personal trainer I cleaned bathrooms and floors at a hospital I drove a truck I operated a forklift I was in construction and eventually I got this opportunity to do what's called weatherization so I got this job and my job was to go into a state or government owned building and make it more energy efficient and it was wonderful because I got paid a lot of money to do it because we were working for the government and when you fast forward you get to when I'm 24 25 and it looks like I have my dream life by all outside standards I have a sports car I have a girlfriend who is literally a model I'm in the best shape of my life because I just did a bodybuilding show I have a sports car a new apartment all the things that people think that they value but I was very very very miserable I was super insecure I was not confident I was afraid of my own shadow and I was afraid to get outside of my comfort zone and one day David my my girlfriend came to me and said Kev I want to move across the country and I want to chase my dreams we live on the east coast of the US she wanted to move to the west coast California and I gave her every excuse in the book every reason not to every piece of scarce advice I could find to stop her from doing that and a couple weeks later she came back to me and said Kev I'm leaving you I'm want to go chase my dreams I wanted to do it with you but clearly that's not something you want to do and that's fine but I have to go do what I feel is right for me and she left and when she left that was a very very challenging moment for me that was rock bottom I remember sitting in my empty apartment that we had just got together three months before my bills had just doubled work was kind of slow my hormones are all messed up for my bodybuilding show I was miserable I was very very miserable and her leaving me was my introduction to self-improvement in personal development and that was my initial rock bottom David where I started working on myself I started working on Kevin to figure out who Kevin was I think that's an incredible story and and the thing for me and I'm sitting here smiling as you sharing your your story with me because my story while similar is not the same as yours and one of the things I often like to tell people is you know rock bottom is actually never where you think it is because you you start on on a journey and you end up and you think I go well Wow I'm like done now but it's not it's you know never ever turn around and say well it can't get any worse than this because it can so Kevin you you were there you're in your 20s suddenly you come across this this whole idea of working on Kevin and self-development now this is something I'm incredibly passionate about and something I've been also chasing my whole life just about as I said similar similar problems and challenges in my life so what you're sitting there you you kind of in your apartment everything is crumbling around you and you said okay it's now time to figure out how Kevin works where did you start hmm so to your point David it very much you can say it's not gonna get worse this is as bad as it can get and oftentimes it does get worse but I remember thinking okay I always expected things in my life to just work out but I am at least 50% of all the problems I've ever had particularly in my relationship so I started listening to audiobooks I remember the first thing I listened to was Rich Dad Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki and I then found I think I found the secret and while I don't necessarily subscribe to the fact that if you hope things are gonna get better they'll definitely get better I remember I started doing positive affirmations and before I went to bed I would say I am handsome I'm talented I'm worthy and this year I'm gonna make the most money I've ever made I remember saying that every night before bed but another thing I did was I forced myself to consistently get outside of my comfort zone I remember going down to the mall I had no intention of buying anything but I wanted to talk to people I wanted to talk to women I wanted to talk to men I wanted to talk to old people I want to talk to young people I wanted to get outside of my comfort zone and prove to myself that I was capable of more than I was currently showing and that was a big a big big step for me but the thing that really happened David is when I went to bed and I said I am gonna make the most money I've ever made in my entire life that became my focus and that next year I ended up getting a promotion to a foreman for the company I was working for and being a foreman means you are on the job from the very beginning to the very end and if you fast forward to the end of that year I was on the road for 10 months and I was living in hotels for 10 months straight because most of the work we did was out of state so I was usually five six hours away from home and that was pretty common for me and that was a struggle it was awesome because I was making a lot of money but that also taught me a ton about myself it's a wonderful thing when you when you when you're young I always used to say you know you're young strong and stupid because you think that certain things are gonna be fulfilling and are gonna add meaning to your life and and the change of the sort of chasing of financial goals in there I remember I spent a great deal of my life and I used to define myself by the price of my toys so it was all about the car that we drove the address that you stayed in the clothes that you wore the watch on your arm and and in my case it took losing all of that for me to kind of finally start to figure out what success and happiness means to me so I want to dive a little bit more into your story Kevin when we come back and just chat a little bit more about the journey because you've certainly come a long way and then you know talking to you now you you sound like you're an incredibly calm successful and happy person so so let's talk a little bit more about that when we come back this is what's involved with my special guest is Kevin Palmieri and he is the CFO founder and co-host of next-level University we'll be back with Kevin in just a bit this is what's involved don't forget to subscribe and leave a review more next we're back my guest is Kevin Palmieri and we're talking self-development on what's involved and finding out you know what it takes and what journeys people on because one of the things that inspired me over the years is is people with great stories I consider myself a storyteller and I think Kevin you you have a great story to tell as well so you're making you're making a lot of money you were successful and a lot of people would go wow is out and about it gets to stay in hotels every night once again that's one of those things in my experience it sounds great until you do it yep so so what happened then let's take a little further yeah so as I mentioned before the break I was on the road for 10 months out of that 12 months so and when I say on the road I mean every single week I was staying in hotels routinely staying up for 30 hours at a time that was pretty average that was a pretty average week for me I remember I opened my final pay stub of the year and I was standing at my kitchen table because my ex-girlfriend took the chairs because they were her chairs I was never home so I never bought new ones it didn't matter and I remember sliding open my last pay stub and my goal was to make $100,000 and I made $100,000 at 26 with no college degree but to your point David nothing changed I was still insecure I still lacked confidence I still didn't believe in myself I still didn't feel like I had a very bright future and that was a very important pivot moment for me because in that moment I realized that most of my life I had been living unconsciously the opposite of unconscious is hyper conscious I started a podcast shortly thereafter called the hyper conscious podcast which is now transitioned into where we are today but I started a podcast with the hopes with the intentions with the goal of having deep talks with awesome people talking about things that a lot of people didn't talk about whether it was suicide or what your dream life was your dream job or your most painful moments or your best experiences I wanted to talk about stuff beyond surface level and I remember David when I started it was such a passion for me I loved it I was so excited to do it but it started making going to work harder and harder and harder and I started calling out I would leave the job site early I didn't care about my work and it got to the point where I would have to be in New Jersey which was six hours from where I lived and I would go to bed at 9 p.m. Sunday night I'd wake up at 12 or 12 30 so midnight or 12 30 and I would get up and drive six hours straight to the job site and I would work an eight-hour day I'd go to the gym after on three hours of sleep because I just wanted to be home I longed for the certainty that I had given up to achieve that success and the the rock-bottom basement the moment that changed my life forever the course of everything for me I was in New Jersey my alarm clock went off at 515 in the morning cold morning I woke up slid to the edge of the bed I was lacing up my work boots I had done this thousand times before and the best way to explain it David is there's ten televisions on in my head and every single one is on a different station and one saying you're stuck here forever you'll never be able to make this amount of money again what will your friends think if you leave what will your family think and do you really think you can be a successful podcaster and in that moment I didn't believe I could I didn't know how and I really felt down I felt dark I felt hopeless I felt helpless and I felt like in that moment if I took my life I would take my problems with me and that's the lowest point I've ever experienced in my entire life now luckily I had a great group of people around me I texted the co-founder and the CEO of our company Alan and I said hey I'm really struggling I don't know what to do and he said Kev so much has changed for you over the last few years but your environments have pretty much remain the same I think it's time for you to make a shift and I ended up leaving that job three or four months later going full-time into becoming an entrepreneur and then for the next three and a half years I was a broke entrepreneur who had to go through so many trials and tribulations to get to where we are today but I'm very happy I did it was one of the best choices I have ever made in my entire life and when you're all the way at heck no sitting on the edge of a bed debating taking your life it's a lot easier to say you know what I'm gonna go all in on heck yes and that is where we are today and that is I mean that is one of the things that I find so amazing and it's why I like chatting to to people like you because it gives other people hope I think because when I was going through my and I quote Douglas Adams here my long dark tea time of the soul I also you know you kind of think there's nobody out there you kind of think you're the only one that is experiencing this and and for me and I still haven't I mean my journey still continues but my imposter syndrome was huge you know and and I mean I've been on radio for thirty plus years now podcasting for about five now and you know every time I used to switch on the microphone there was this voice in my head gang who gives you the right to do this what makes you think you are good enough why would people ever listen to you and and you you've been there so so where do we start if somebody's listening now and they're going oh I am I'm stuck and I use the analogy of you spend your life climbing up a ladder I need to find when you get to the top it's leaning against the wrong building where does one start this journey to the self because I think with everything that's happened and our global pandemic and the whole lot there people have become more conscious and and you've you've spoken about that as well so give us some ideas of where to start I mean you know if you if you sort of you know a bit lost and you you are getting along in years and you think just off oh I hate my job I hate my life I hate everything hmm I think that the natural tendency is to look into the future and say okay well what is my purpose what am I what am I supposed to do here what are my dreams what are my goals when I really think the first step is looking into the past a lot of us and I was very guilty of this and I said this in the beginning my personal development journey started with me going out and learning as much as humanly possible I think what happens is you go out and you read a book or you listen to a TED talk or you listen to a podcast or a radio station and you're saying well that's a lot of valuable information but for some reason I don't know what to do with it I don't know what it means to me it doesn't seem to land is impactfully as I think it should and this is why I believe when you're younger you are born into soil you're a seed and you're planted in soil and you have no control over that soil it very well could be and may be toxic and 5 10 15 20 years later you're taking this nutritious soil from books and podcasts and YouTube and audiobooks and you're pouring it onto that old toxic soil it's not getting down to the root of who you are as a human being it's not getting down to your actual identity you're limiting beliefs your core values your core aspirations it's not getting down to that I think the first step is starting to unlearn the things that aren't actually yours and the reason I say that is because people always say hindsight is 2020 I when I was driving a truck David I would listen to you I would listen to radio stations every single day and say imagine if you could do that for a living imagine if you could just talk into a microphone for X amount of hours a day and that was your job in hindsight in retrospect yes that makes sense I think a lot of that is similar when it comes to unconditioning old beliefs that aren't yours so I would say you have to sit down with yourself and you have to try to go back and read the chapters of your life because things will appear that you didn't know existed opportunities that have never been opportunities before will at least look like opportunities because you'll understand yourself at a deeper level that is one and that is a big one and then one that is universal across the board I would say is if you feel stuck if you feel hopeless or helpless or you don't feel like you have a bright future I would really take a look at the people around you because you can have all the advice you can have the best coaches you can have the best mentors you can have the best opportunities the most talent the most intelligence but if you surround yourself with people who bleed you instead of feed you you're gonna be in a very very very challenging place I put myself into that depression I put myself into those those those tough spots I had amazing people around me which helped me get out if I had leaned on those amazing people earlier I never would have got to the place I got to wow okay that that is actually so true and I love the analogy where you say they either bleed you or they feed you because this is something that that a lot of times we don't realize and you know in my upbringing and and as I explained to you earlier on I mean I'm a South African born and bred and I was born into a country in in turmoil came from a very toxic family background etc etc and you know it takes time to get to the stage where though where you can where you can look at yourself and look at those people around you and also kind of decide whether the information that you've been told is true or not and whether it's true or not for you I'm fascinated by this Kevin and your passion in the way that you share your story is amazing when we come back we're gonna have a similar conversation with Kevin Palmieri he is the CFO founder and co-host of the next level University and you know what generally I wouldn't say this because well you know us us radio people and podcasts we've got quite quite large egos and we like to promote our own podcast but do yourself a favor check it out we'll give you some more information in just a little bit because really some great stuff there this is what's involved back in a bit we'll be right back with more what's involved David would love to hear from you to leave a voice message visit what's involved comm and click drop me a voice note and we're back it is what's involved it's so good to have you along with us my special guest is Kevin Palmieri he's CFO founder co-host of next-level University I'm still amazed that it is I mean it's in the top 100 self-improvement podcast Kevin you must be incredibly proud of yourself for that yeah it's it's very interesting two kids from a small town who did not have a lot of opportunity growing up who wanted to impact the world in a positive way and I'm very very proud I'm very very grateful we call it I like to call it grateful ambition I'm very very grateful for what I have I'm so blessed I feel so lucky but I'm also very very very hungry to continue doing what we're doing and continue having the impact and shaping the world in the way we we believe is possible and the end really beneficial so yes I am so incredibly proud so grateful it has been a very very challenging road for sure but it is also the most fulfilling thing I've ever done in my life let's talk about some of those those challenges they're just in terms of from an entrepreneurial perspective I mean yeah you're a podcast host but podcasting and in your case particularly is is a business I mean this is this is the way you make your money so what challenges because if you talk about you know this this journey of small-town boy your dark times and and podcasting I mean what did we say earlier something like more than 900 episodes there's a little thing in there that it's it's it's like some often people say to me why do you keep on doing this I'm like well because the theory is if I can just keep on hanging on long after everybody else has let go we're gonna make it so so in your case tell me about that yeah it's interesting David because in the very beginning I did not know this was gonna be a business I knew I wanted to leave my job but that was kind of the extent of it and I'm very blessed because my business partner is very business savvy which is wonderful but the first initial challenge was getting laughed at I mean I've been there has been a lot of people who didn't believe in the fact that we were gonna have a successful podcast and we were leaving our jobs to do that Alan the co-host co-founder and the CEO he left a job making close to two hundred thousand dollars a year to become an entrepreneur so we definitely got a lot of pushback from that my family I'm very blessed because my family was supportive but they had no idea they said when are you gonna go get another job what are you doing you know this is crazy this probably isn't gonna work but they were supportive to the to the degree they could be the the initial thing for us was how do we make money I remember having a conversation with Alan saying hey I I can't continue putting myself into credit card debt what are we supposed to do and I remember the first thing I did David was I found a listener their name is Jenna I messaged her and said Jenna I'm looking to start doing some coaching I want to see if I even want to do and I want to see what it's like are you open to being coached by me for free and I started coaching Jenna every week for free and after two or three months I said out more places and we're doing more episodes it started 50 bucks a week it went to 75 bucks a week went to 100 150 and that was really the beginning for us that was one of the most challenging things but I mean there were parts David where it's like the scene out of the movie where the entrepreneur pulls up to the office and his car stalls like that used to happen to me all the time my car would stall at red lights at stop signs if I went below a certain speed it would just shut off the brakes were mangled and they were screeching up a storm there was two Christmases back-to-back where I couldn't even buy Christmas presents for my girlfriend my now fiance I had to ask her to pay rent it was it was very very very much a challenge and there's a lot of people who don't think it should be there's a lot of people who say well you know business should be easy it should be it should be fulfilling I totally agree it should be aligned I totally agree I don't believe it is going to be easy because by definition if it's easy you're not stretching to what you're actually capable of I'm somebody who goes to the gym I'm gonna go to the gym later in between calls if I do an easy workout every time I'm there I'm not making that much progress I'm actually selling myself short so I believe that it's supposed to be a challenge because it's the resistance that causes the growth it creates the growth there has been a lot of challenges there's been a lot of resistance other than those those are very real life scenarios one of the biggest struggles for me did candidly has been lack of belief sometimes I have to pinch myself I don't it doesn't make sense to me where I am sometimes I don't feel like I belong or I deserve to be where I am I've had to face so many boats of insecurity Alan and I one time were at somebody's mansion and they were talking about business and I remember just reverting to young Kev and I said who am I to even be here I don't know anything about what they're talking about and it was a real difficult moment where I'm at a mansion in California supposed to be living the dream but I'm having this internal dialogue of not good enough and that has been a really a through line of my life is that insecurity that not enoughness that battle with and I always want to be transparent about that because really really listen yeah quote-unquote we're successful and we're a top podcast and all that stuff but that doesn't fix anything going on inside me it doesn't that's why the self-improvement the personal development the inner work the reflection that's why it's so important we had twenty five thousand dollars donate or not donated transferred into our account a couple months ago it was good for like 15 minutes and then it was like okay cool now what and I think that's a good example of what we think is gonna happen when we find success we think success is going to fix the missing parts the missing pieces the loose pieces inside of us when really you have to fix those no amount of money no value of car or home to David's point earlier can fix the things inside of you only you can through that inner work through that self-improvement through that personal development so I would say that has been one of the biggest challenges the internal work has been at least as if not more challenging than all of the external work for sure and I think that's very important and as you were talking now I was I sort of got transported back in time a little bit because a good few years ago I lost my dad and he was in in hospital and it was it was time for him to go and one of the last things he said to me is whatever you do don't do what I have done and live a life of quiet desperation and that is so so profound because I come from very much very very very much some people may even say the wrong side of the railway tracks but a simple background we never had money but one of the things that always got drilled into my head from when I was young is the watches are designed with destined to struggle the watches will never ever be rich life sucks it's hard the best you can hope for is to go out to get a job and work from nine to five and then one day retire and hope to hell you've got enough money to live until you die and when I told them initially that I wanted to be in radio my parents were horrified that because to them that wasn't a real job and I got asked things like how are you gonna support your wife how are you gonna do all of these things and that has been this recurring and I talked earlier about this imposter syndrome that has been a recurring theme for through a lot of my life Kevin we we're running out of time we need to do this again I think just because I think you've got so much value to add but when we come back let's look if we can give somebody sitting listening and and they are at them at the moment going all right Kevin David you guys easy for you to talk but my life is different and maybe give some pointers on the self development and where to go and what to do so we'll talk about that when we come back it is what's involved my special guest Kevin Palmieri will be back in just a bit you're listening to what's involved with David Watts have you been to our website check it out www dot what's involved calm and while you're there click on the coffee mug icon and buy David a cup of coffee they'll love it and we're back with my special guest Kevin Palmieri this is the one thing and I'm gonna digress totally and I will blame it on my ADD which is also something that yeah has been a challenge for me but conversations like this the time absolutely speeds by and it's just so great to be able to talk to somebody and and have somebody that's that's been in the trenches and and had the struggle so Kevin hats off to you for that now somebody's listening and and they could be listening wherever part of the show goes out as a radio broadcast in South Africa then there's the podcast if somebody's listening they think okay guys it's all good and well you've been talking up a storm give us something practical this is what I would say and I always try to I want to really illuminate this fact that not everybody's gonna be able to leave their job and go all in and podcasting or all in on construction or all in on content creation whatever it is right because different circumstances create different road blocks and boundaries so I always want to say that when I left my job I had ten thousand dollars in the bank and I had very low bills and I didn't have a family and I lived with my best friend and you know my responsibilities were fairly low so I do want to make sure I I do state that because I do think that's a very important thing to stay to say this is what I would say no matter where you are no matter what is going on in your life there is a small room for improvement nothing will change overnight that's okay I want you to take out a piece of paper right now unless you're driving don't don't do this if you're driving if you're driving do it when you get home or maybe you're a spreadsheet kind of person take out a spreadsheet I want you to write three columns health wealth and love under each of those columns I want you to start two new habits under health one of them could be weigh yourself every day and track your calories under wealth track your finances and eliminate any unnecessary expenses that $5 coffee every day adds up that's 25 bucks a week that's that's a lot of money it's probably $1,200 a year that's that adds up very very quickly so two things under wealth and then two things under love if you're in a relationship a good example of this is the gratitude game every night before my fiance and I go to bed we tell each other one thing we're grateful for about each other right something simple like that if you're single maybe self-love to you is taking a bath or meditating or positive affirmations or lighting candles before bed if you can add two habits under health two habits under wealth and two habits under love I guarantee if you stick with them it will be a challenge but if you stick with them your life will look different in six months a year is it gonna look completely different are you gonna be a completely different human being no that takes time and time and time but that is a wonderful place to start I think we have this belief that unless I do it all now it's not worth doing and I think that belief is one of the biggest ones holding people back if you can just improve a little bit today a little bit tomorrow a little bit the day after that's how things happen Rome was built in a day it was built every day wonderful stuff now you've touched on something then and you're talking about doing these these you know working on these habits every day how important is in your opinion consistency oh man the most the most very there is very few things that can be accomplished without consistency it's just and it's also one of the hardest things for human beings to do because we like the path of least resistance and usually the least the path of least resistance is not consistency you got to find some sort of accountability so this is a good example Alan and I have realized that we have not been as focused on fitness as we want to be it's it's a core value I am more fulfilled I'm in shape it just that is my personal experience so we said this on the podcast the other day number one accountability so Alan and I are gonna do it together number two we created what is called a commitment device so Alan and I made a commitment to each other and our listeners on the podcast that if we do not get to our goal weight mine is 170 pounds Alan is 180 pounds by August 1st we do not get to record an episode on August 1st and we have never missed an episode together and that is one of our things is we will not miss we do seven episodes a week every day if we don't hit our goal weight we don't get to do an episode if I don't hit my goal weight I don't do it and maybe Alan Ken if Alan doesn't hit his goal weight he doesn't get to come even if I hit my goal weight think of it like if I if I don't do these five habits for the next ten days I have to donate ten dollars to a charity I don't believe in that is what a commitment device is I would say I'm gonna burn ten dollars but I'm sure that's probably illegal in most places so donate it to something you don't believe in you have to have more pain associated with not doing the thing than associated with doing it and in the commitment device or letting somebody else down is a very very good way to tie that up I think that's a fantastic idea I was just thinking about having to donate money to a cause you don't believe in that that's that could get could get interesting given I don't think a chat with you would be complete and you've just blown me away now by saying that you sort of publish a podcast every day because that is a lot of work if somebody's now listening and they go listen these guys sound like they enjoying themselves and they're having a good chat and then sharing stories I want to do this myself is the podcast market saturated if you are a stamp collector is the place for your podcast what a benefit of of podcasting do you think I I believe that one of the biggest benefits is a confidence builder a lot of people say like yeah I'm confident but there's something different about hopping in front of a microphone getting on camera in broadcasting your message quite literally to the world so I think number one is confidence building but even from a business aspect or yeah like a business aspect you get the opportunity really think about this you get the opportunity to have somebody's attention at a deep deep deep level every single week or every single day or biweekly whenever you do your episode it's just a different form of communication and it's a way for you to add value in a way way way deeper level I don't think it's saturated I mean you got to think everybody says things are saturated when they start to go viral but as long as you can really tap into something that matters to you don't do it for the money that's what I would say if you're out there and you're saying you know what I'm gonna start a podcast for the money don't do it go do something else because it's very very difficult to make money and if your only goal is to make money you most likely will not last long enough but it's the most rewarding thing in the world when somebody reaches out and says hey that episode changed my life or to your point David I never would have thought that that stamp I have is worth blank blank blank blank that's what it's all about so it is the best thing in the world it will teach you more about yourself than almost anything I can imagine it's definitely harder to make money then I think people realize when they start so make sure you're starting for the right reason but it's the best thing in the world yeah this is the thing and again again consistency because this is now this is this is my second run at podcasting I started out when it was in its infancy and particularly here in South Africa and I just was like no after like 10 or so kind of episodes I was like no this is too much like hard work so that that was quite quite a challenge Kevin if somebody wants to find out because one of the things you do as well is is I mean the podcast is called next level University do you offer any sort of training so so maybe you know we can direct people to go somewhere and and and check out what happens there how do we reach the next level yeah if you so we have a bunch of different stuff the way it's set up the reason we do seven episodes a week is we realize not everybody is in a financial place where they can afford group coaching or one-on-one or coming to a retreat or whatever it may be so our business is set up where no matter where you are in your self-improvement journey we have content for you no matter where you are in your financial journey we have something of value whether it's a free course whether it's group coaching one-on-one coaching live events for treats all sorts of different stuff so all you got to do if you want the best place to start is listening to the podcast just because that's one of the most valuable things that we have so wherever you listen a podcast just search next level University all of our episodes are on YouTube as well and then if you want to chat with me you can just DM me on Instagram at never quit kid or email me Kevin at next level universe calm wonderful stuff so you're open to people going hey Kevin heard your heard your podcast would love to chat some more I see you've also got something on your on your on your website all about getting to the next the next level is this something that we can we can offer to our listeners as well and I can direct them there and put put the link in my show notes yeah for sure that's that's a free course totally free it's Alan and I sat down in our studio on a Sunday and we said what are the most important lessons fundamentals that we can bring to our listeners and how do we over deliver on a free course a lot of free courses are 10 minutes or they're a PDF or five steps we literally it's an hour and a half of us in the studio high quality footage cut scenes worksheets it in my opinion is the most valuable free content there is so yes please please the more the merrier wonderful stuff well we've come to that time it wraps it up for this edition of what's involved my special guest has been Kevin Palmieri Kevin thank you so much for taking the time out and having a chat to us and well I look forward to hearing more from you and the next level University podcast David I appreciate it I'm happy to come back anytime this was wonderful and thank you to everybody listening out there there we go as I said it wraps it up for this edition of what's involved to each and every one of you look after yourselves take care and thank you for listening thanks for listening to what's involved we hope this episode inspires you to find your passion and live your dream don't forget to rate review and share the podcast and to see what's happening what's going on and what's coming follow what's involved on Facebook and Twitter at what's involved thanks again for listening